tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post5897845376970131233..comments2024-01-26T09:33:16.924+01:00Comments on Arre Kya Baat Hai: Immigrant identities, globalization & BollywoodSunil Deepakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-73076091453398062582012-03-12T18:37:03.776+01:002012-03-12T18:37:03.776+01:00Exactly Kiran. I think that educated immigrants ha...Exactly Kiran. I think that educated immigrants have already made the change. Perhaps men find it more difficult to adapt to the changing world?Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-76068667742129457342012-03-12T18:14:24.238+01:002012-03-12T18:14:24.238+01:00Times are changing and to quote, "where the w...Times are changing and to quote, "where the women are no longer "guardians of Indian traditions", I think its laughable to imagine that only women are responsible of guarding traditions. Traditions aren't supposed to be women's core responsibilities. It used to be, more than 30 years ago. Forget about NRI's, Mumbai is going at a fast-pace of adapting Western cultures and behavior. <br /><br />I think it's time that we accept that change is inevitable. Some may be good, and bad as well. The choice remains to each individual.<br /><br /><a href="http://kirantarun.com/blog" rel="nofollow">Kiran @ KiranTarun.com</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-74460577846539097332012-02-23T19:53:31.846+01:002012-02-23T19:53:31.846+01:00Thanks Meera for those insightful comments. I hope...Thanks Meera for those insightful comments. I hope that new generations of Indian immigrants will be different because they are growing up in a different world and they can refer to new India!<br /><br />About the two types of Indians, there is a third one two and probably more common than the other two, that stays somewhere inbetween the two extremes! :)Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-66939698569818820692012-02-23T19:49:58.687+01:002012-02-23T19:49:58.687+01:00Comment from Meera Sundararajan
http://www.blogger...Comment from Meera Sundararajan<br />http://www.blogger.com/profile/15584671517551652378 I don't know why your comments appeared only on my email and not on the blog! May be it will come after a few days!!<br /><br />This was a wonderful post!You are so right about the way Indian immigrants behave when they are away. Infact, I found that Indians are probably hated for the way they do not mix with the rest of the people of the country to which they have immigrated. When I was in Kenya I was told that Indians did not allow people of other ethnicity to live in their apartment complexes. I also find that the immigrant Indians live in a time warp as you have rightly mentioned. They long and pine for the country they have left behind- a country fraught with a lot of social inequalities. They are unable to understand that we in the country have moved on- dating and self arranged marriages as also live in relationships are quite common here these days! There are basically two types of immigrants ( and I have both types in my family )- one that holds on to Indian ness for dear life and are more conservative than anyone of us here and the other is the group that denies their roots feeling ashamed to meet other Indian immigrants. There is a book by Monica Ali called "Brick Lane" that is about Bangladeshi Immigrants that explores some of the immgrant issues very well.Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-51519025157682847882012-02-23T19:47:19.854+01:002012-02-23T19:47:19.854+01:00Thanks SM - I think that caste system was changed ...Thanks SM - I think that caste system was changed for Indian immigrants in countries like Guyana and Mauritius, may be beacause so may immigrants from the "lower" castes, on the other hand probably concept of "family honour" continued as that was a social construct and related to dominance over women. HOwever, I need to document better on these areas.Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-88695339845812972632012-02-23T19:01:55.805+01:002012-02-23T19:01:55.805+01:00thoughtful and realistic post
many even follow cas...thoughtful and realistic post<br />many even follow caste system and family honor in other nations also.SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08421656022621802223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-1901234755719016332012-02-23T09:02:49.117+01:002012-02-23T09:02:49.117+01:00This was a wonderful post!You are so right about t...This was a wonderful post!You are so right about the way Indian immigrants behave when they are away. Infact, I found that Indians are probably hated for the way they do not mix with the rest of the people of the country to which they have immigrated. When I was in Kenya I was told that Indians did not allow people of other ethnicity to live in their apartment complexes. I also find that the immigrant Indians live in a time warp as you have rightly mentioned. They long and pine for the country they have left behind- a country fraught with a lot of social inequalities. They are unable to understand that we in the country have moved on- dating and self arranged marriages as also live in relationships are quite common here these days! There are basically two types of immigrants ( and I have both types in my family )- one that holds on to Indian ness for dear life and are more conservative than anyone of us here and the other is the group that denies their roots feeling ashamed to meet other Indian immigrants. There is a book by Monica Ali called "Brick Lane" that is about Bangladeshi Immigrants that explores some of the immgrant issues very well.Meera Sundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15584671517551652378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-13958104363565236432012-02-23T07:09:42.699+01:002012-02-23T07:09:42.699+01:00Thanks Vinay. Thankgod, there is still some time b...Thanks Vinay. Thankgod, there is still some time before we become completely Hollywood. I mean we still have our Dabangg! :)Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-57988902404431476902012-02-23T04:16:19.214+01:002012-02-23T04:16:19.214+01:00Excellent post..A good start to my morning.
The po...Excellent post..A good start to my morning.<br />The points you raised are worth thinking and as for Indian cinema goes, it is completely on its way to becoming the next Hollywood.vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02483120636245740181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-56400268780004239602012-02-22T11:26:44.430+01:002012-02-22T11:26:44.430+01:00Excellent point. I've noticed the same in my t...Excellent point. I've noticed the same in my travels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-38371927839770382702012-02-20T13:45:41.634+01:002012-02-20T13:45:41.634+01:00Thanks Suchi, I am really happy that it is close t...Thanks Suchi, I am really happy that it is close to your heart and you were doing your PhD on this theme.<br />I agree that I have left out many issues including the changes happening in India.Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-41579325997151281402012-02-20T13:11:16.245+01:002012-02-20T13:11:16.245+01:00Hi Sunil, very thoughtful post. You know this was ...Hi Sunil, very thoughtful post. You know this was my Ph.D. topic till I dropped out of doctoral programme. So it is a topic very close to my heart. I completely relate to your West Indies experience. I had similar one myself, though in Canada. I met Jamaicans of Indian origin with names like Harishchandra...their families originally from 'Patuliputra' had gone to the West Indies as indentured labourers of the British in nineteenth century...and stayed in time wrap ever since...I was continuously asked about sati...they were happy there was no sati in the islands!<br />I agree with KayEm you left out the rapid changes happening in India. Also the movies you have mentioned are all conceptualised and made by Indians in India. I guess they are doing their bit in stereotyping second generation Indians abroad.<br />During my travels I have met second/third generations who are more South Asian than we/I can be and people in Indian metros who can fit in easily in New York or London...<br />I totally agree immigrants never had it easier! from a temporary migrant :-)<br />CheersKitchenKarmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12372234531071887531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-2541869966227310152012-02-20T05:50:22.711+01:002012-02-20T05:50:22.711+01:00Thanks KayEm. YOu are right. I hardly touched on t...Thanks KayEm. YOu are right. I hardly touched on the issue of the changes happening in India .. going through the Indian blog-world, I can see that change! :)Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-77896583798201772252012-02-20T02:59:57.624+01:002012-02-20T02:59:57.624+01:00Really enjoyed this post. You thought of many angl...Really enjoyed this post. You thought of many angles but forgot one very important one. Indian women and men in India are changing with the times too. I think women aren't just very modern or very traditional. Most of us are comfortable discovering, adapting to and enjoying whatever we think is best in both. The main difference between today's "modern" and yesterday's is that we feel free to choose. Bollywood, Hollywood and movie makers from all over the world reflect that.Khoty Mathurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706537182743683089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-18734711069310978572012-02-19T21:12:44.579+01:002012-02-19T21:12:44.579+01:00Thanks Arun for this appreciation. I was sure that...Thanks Arun for this appreciation. I was sure that no one was going it read this stuff! :)Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-11582016610687747692012-02-19T18:27:36.720+01:002012-02-19T18:27:36.720+01:00Great thoughtful post. Very very informative. The ...Great thoughtful post. Very very informative. The question you raised at last about NRI's, really needs some answers in the futureArun Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14638646338604761587noreply@blogger.com