tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post4949580672433737070..comments2024-01-26T09:33:16.924+01:00Comments on Arre Kya Baat Hai: Ancient Indian History in PuranasSunil Deepakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-90833796016480235052014-03-18T17:16:44.804+01:002014-03-18T17:16:44.804+01:00Thank you for at least trying to comprehend my fre...Thank you for at least trying to comprehend my freelance viewsTejaswininimburiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098146870657720928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-7064200094279509072014-03-18T15:53:05.815+01:002014-03-18T15:53:05.815+01:00I am sure that we shall have a lively discussion w...I am sure that we shall have a lively discussion with you talking and I listening raptly, and may be I will let you convince me! :) My knowledge in this area is more limited and superficial, even more so for the events in South India.<br /><br />Thanks againSunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-8086088402256444152014-03-18T15:37:41.247+01:002014-03-18T15:37:41.247+01:00I surmise my conclusions based on how history has ...I surmise my conclusions based on how history has been shaped. The whole Indian history rests on MAXMULER -- CALDWELL HYPOTHESES. As a student of science I visualise history as part of modern theory of backward integration thus: MAXMULER THEORY IS BASED ON SAYANA'S commentary on RIG VEDA. Then the history shifts to ISLAMIC INVASION then GURJARA PRATHIHARAS then HARSHA VADHANA then GUPTAS. Then comes greatest irony. The history solely relies on Puranas for SATAVAHANAS etc. then ASOKA. Here also except one edict in Brahma Giri the name exhibited in Asokan edicts is only Devanampriya Tissa. The story of Asoka is derived only from Mahavamsa. Then Megasthene. Then comes another mystery. The Puranas never depict Sixteen Mahajanapadas. The Buddhist scriptures only refer sixteen Mahajanapadas. Then Jainism then Darius the close resemblance between ZEND AVESTA AND RIG VEDA and then ARYAN INVASION THEORY. A critical analysis will itself reveal that during the time of DARIUS I we don't have Kings with Vedic names while DARIUS CYRUS etc., had been deciphered as TURVASU/KURU. The question is why at the time of ACHEMINIAN KINGDOM there were no kings in North India. As per Ceylon history even at the time of VIJAYA ALIGHTING AT SRILANKA there were Jains. Jain inscriptions precede Buddhist influence in Srilanka. Further Jains making residence in caves in Srilanka spread to Pandiyan kingdom also. Thus Jain influence in Tamilnadu is derived from Srilanka. Now there has been extensive mention of sixteen janapadas in Buddhist lores. We can rely only one of the two--either Puranas or Buddhistic lore. The concept of Mahajanapadas is completely absent in Puranas. Thus during Pre Buddhistic period except in far south in Tamilnadu there were no kingdoms in the entire north. We have to bear in mind that only in Tamilnadu the term CROWNED KINGS--MUDIUDAI VENDAR the expresseion found its echo only in Srilanka -- the equivalent being ABISHEKARHAT KSHATRIYAS. Thus upto IndoBactrian and Sakas North India does not have regular line of kings. The historians conveniently omit SHIVALI REGION OF KARNATAKA for growth of Sanskrit. THE KADAMBAS apart from RUDRA DAMAN were the first introduce SANSKRIT in their coins. The Kadambas had matrimonial alliance with GANGAS VAKATAKAS and GUPTAS, the latter two being supporters of SANSKRIT. The Kadambas were closely related to CHALUKYAS since both had MANAVA--HARITHA as twine Gothras. Even Sungas had close association with regard to adoption of tree, gothra etc., with DECCAN KINGS rather than North. Further the Kadambas had the Ramayana names-- KAKUSTHAVARMAN, RAGHU, DILIPAN ETC.,and were the first to introduce Brahmin settlement with establishment of SHIVA VISHNU TEMPLES THE GHATIKAS--MILITARY ACADEMY THE SHALAS and the EIGHTEEN AGRARIAN SETTTLEMENT KNOWN AS PATHINENBHOOMI/NADU THE VALANGAI/IDANGAI industrial class etc., which were completely appropriated and standardized by CHOLAS. Bhasa, Bharavi, Dandi all belonged to DECCAN. The MANU LAW WAS CODIFIED only by CHALUKYAS with two greatest exponents VIGNESWARA AND VISWARUPA were patronised by them. Unlike Cholas who were staunch SAIVITES with LAGULEESA PUNDITS AS PRECEPTORS all the Deccan kings were Jains/Buddhists. For theology they patronised BUDDHISM/JAINISM. But for LAUKIKAM they performed Vedic rites. Thus Manu Law was never temporal but only secular since none of the six dshanas had personal laws of their own with regard to birth death marriage etc., Unfortunately this concept of MANU LAW as secular law throughout Deccan and SIX DARSANAS were meant only for self realisation never struck the historians. Thus history of India starts only from IndoBactrian/Saka kings and any theory on date of RIG VEDA is only conjecture. puranas should not be relied for history.Tejaswininimburiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098146870657720928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-13994790763451819072014-03-17T19:26:57.485+01:002014-03-17T19:26:57.485+01:00I am not sure that I agree with the statement &quo...I am not sure that I agree with the statement "India upto THE INDO BACTRIAN KINGS AND SAKAS were completely Jains or Buddhists" - lack of evidence is not same as "there is evidence that this was so..". Except for Egyptians or may be Sumerians, actual evidence of past history are rare and even more so if we go back 3500 BCE. Reading about Greek or Roman history around 500-700 BCE, again we find history and mythology is mixed so Indian purans are not the only one that are not so clear!<br /><br />I know nothing about Tamil history. The issueof sanskrit before Prakrit or Bhasa, even I have wondered about it! I agree with you that there is much that is not clear and there is so much to keep on discussing for years :))) <br /><br />Thanks for taking the time to write your comment :)Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-6536182594517145282014-03-17T17:17:23.709+01:002014-03-17T17:17:23.709+01:00The Indian historians base the understanding of hi...The Indian historians base the understanding of history from Westerners who believe in continuous straight lines or sinusoidal curves. However there is one more curve i.e., the truncated curve in electric rectifiers. Let us first of all observe chronological events. India upto THE INDO BACTRIAN KINGS AND SAKAS were completely Jains or Buddhists. There were no stories in Hindu lore but Buddhists Jataka stories.There were only theological/logical treatises and hence Grammar was evolved not for writing poems but for logic only -- Katayana system on the importance of word and meaning and Panini --Dhatu system. The first Sanskrit drama was by Bhasa and that too from Jain mythology of King Udayana - PRATHIGYANA YAUGANDHARAYANA. The most puzzling part is that even at the time of first century AD Tamil literature has evolved and Tamil grammar was evolved to write poems set to music and the most ancient Tamil grammar evolved on Katayana system. It is even more puzzling to note that when in the same period Tamil poems evolved on the incidents witnessed by poets why was not such poems in Sanskrit though Tamil grammar was based on Sanskrit theology only. This will explain absence of historical records in Sanskrit. Similarly even with reference to inscriptions the wealth of informations in Tamil inscriptions is not found in other inscriptions. Hence unless this puzzling factor on the absence of Sanskrit prior to Bhasa and why Sanskrit literature was not interested in contemporary events that poets saw there can be no answer. All the deductions are only conjectures not supported by evidence and Indian history is just a myth.Tejaswininimburiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098146870657720928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-90924197349112988492014-02-24T11:34:38.187+01:002014-02-24T11:34:38.187+01:00Thanks for reading it and for your appreciation, B...Thanks for reading it and for your appreciation, Beloo. :)Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-21593658319030378102014-02-24T10:44:38.728+01:002014-02-24T10:44:38.728+01:00Great post! Thank you for writing this.Great post! Thank you for writing this.Beloo Mehrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514874213623046284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-54036487587911804002014-02-24T09:11:28.108+01:002014-02-24T09:11:28.108+01:00Thanks Hitesh. If you are interested in buying boo...Thanks Hitesh. If you are interested in buying books like Puranas in Hindi translations you can check Gita Press based in Gorakhpur - http://www.gitapress.org/Sunil Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781674474022699458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8346538939409399890.post-4443398070834995312014-02-24T08:19:51.297+01:002014-02-24T08:19:51.297+01:00you mentioned something very useful about the anci...you mentioned something very useful about the ancient history of India. will you please suggest me how do i purchase the books which you have mentioned here as i am not finding them on the net.Hiteshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12270883226125583285noreply@blogger.com